Ensidia banned for exploiting 25man LK, sup.

Mortana · **Joined:** Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:44 pm **Posts:** 265

Sooo, as we know Ensidia got the 25man LK WF on normal. As it turned out, Blizzard failed at testing the encounter and apparently Saronite Bombs, used by every engi. in their rotation to increase dps (think they're off the gcd) were really powerful, after ensidia's kill they made a hotfix:

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We just made a hotfix that disables the siege damage dealt by Saronite Bombs and the Global Thermal Sapper Charge. The siege damage of the bombs was causing the Frozen Throne platform to rebuild, which greatly decreases the difficulty of the encounter.

We'll reenable the siege damage in a later update when the issue with the Frozen Throne is fixed.

and Ensidia's response:

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Yes it seems this bug does relate to our kill. We had no idea that our Rogues using Saronite Bombs in their rotation (as they always do) was causing it and thusly it occured every try we did. Short version, we're not going to stop trying the boss when all we are doing is playing our normal game. It would be nice if these kinds of things, much the same as Holy Wrath on Anub, were tested before release.

It does make the fight easier, but we are 100% sure it would have died either way. It only affects one of the easier phases.

As a side note this only occured in 25 man.

Shortly after they all got a 72h Ban and their titles/achievemts/loot taken away...
What are your thoughts? Was using the bombs an exploit in your opinion, and hould they get banned for that?

Kenshi · **Posted:** Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:26 pm

they shouldn't get banned if they used the bombs on all other encounters but are they officially banned cause then Blizzard really does fail !!!!

there is 2 ways they can prefented it

1 way is to beta test an encounter with the top

2. don't whine about it and fix it

Fral · **Joined:** Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:01 pm **Posts:** 101

Ensidia/Nihilum has a history of getting FWK by using exploits, they've been doing it since Twins in AQ40 and have been known to do so with almost every hard encounter.

Mortana · **Joined:** Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:44 pm **Posts:** 265

Fral wrote:

Ensidia/Nihilum has a history of getting FWK by using exploits, they've been doing it since Twins in AQ40 and have been known to do so with almost every hard encounter.

Saronite Bomb
Requires Engineering (350)
Item Level 75
Use: Inflicts 1150 to 1500 Fire damage to targets in a 10 yard radius. This explosive is powerful enough to cause moderate siege damage. (1 Min Cooldown)

You're engineer, you use it on every single fight as a dps increase. BS got 2 sockets, JC got better gems and eng. got some enchants and saronite bombs...

Imho that's not an exploit - it's a bugged fight. It's not even 'thinking outside the box' as with flower power on hodir HM they did, it's just using your normal proff advantage as engi. were doing since the start of WotLK. That's not even clever use of game mechanics... If the boss was bugged to take 10 times higher damage from DoTs, would you bench all DoT users for the encounter so you don't 'exploit' it?

Kenshi · **Posted:** Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:59 pm

that is the point. they used the same mechanics as any other fight

Eldith · **Joined:** Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:06 pm **Posts:** 231

The quesion comes with. Even thoe it looks like they noticed the bug they continued to atempt the boss.

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we're not going to stop trying the boss when all we are doing is playing our normal game.

Even thoe its there "normal game" they noticed the bug.

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We had no idea that our Rogues using Saronite Bombs in their rotation (as they always do) was causing it and thusly it occured every try we did.

Stating they noticed it but continued anyway. It proberly would not have been hard to asatain on the rogues part that they were doing siege damage and rebuilding platforms.

Eldith · **Joined:** Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:06 pm **Posts:** 231

And to be fair normaly High end guilds are "watched" when downing new boss's to assatain if its being done correctly.

Mortana · **Joined:** Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:44 pm **Posts:** 265

http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/ensi ... -72-hours/

Mortana · **Joined:** Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:44 pm **Posts:** 265

Eldith wrote:

Stating they noticed it but continued anyway. It proberly would not have been hard to asatain on the rogues part that they were doing siege damage and rebuilding platforms.

Quote from Ensidia:

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Bergg this bug happened totally random on a few of the tries, it didn't even happen on all tries. Personally I'm not even sure that it was Saronite that caused it. I believe it was a bug in the encounter that caused it to happen, especially since the bombs did 0.000 siege damage. To me it just looks like that wanted a reason to ban us. If it actually was the saronites then there is no way in the universe that we could possibly have known that since they only did damage to the mobs Naihiko used them on. There was no extra damage on anything else.

So basically, you're in the middle of 25man fight, and you see things respawning. How do you connect that to somthing as trivial as Saronite Bomb? Even tho you know it's a bug, the few tries they used for it is imho not enough to actually figure what was the case.. I'm really suprised (and disappointed) that blizzard can actually be so shit about that. Wouldn't happen to ArenaNet ever..

Ensidia banned for exploiting 25man LK, sup.

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